Archive for the 9/11 Truth or Consequences? category

April 11th, 2009

Confirmation? Thermite high explosive at the WTC on 9/11

From the Spring 2009 issue of a two-year old but peer-reviewed online chemistry journal.  The authors include Kevin Ryan and Steve Jones, the engineer and physicist (who announced other thermite results 2 years or so ago) behind the 9/11 Online Journal.

I guess they pub’d this here instead for the peer certification.  I hope the latter is genuine.

But all that aside, yes, bleed and peep, read and weep.

It’s hard to tolerate Obama’s concession of the National Security Apparat’s program in Afghanistan when the world knows that our invasion there was on the books by midsummer 2001 and that what happened on 9/11 is not what the MM say happened.

Most of this happened before, when JFK was shot.  It’s happening again.

February 28th, 2009

Alex Jones Documentary:
The Obama Deception

I don’t agree with some detail here but it’s certainly worth chewing on, particularly as we watch Obama sleepwalk (?) into the Pakghanistan quagmire.
The DVD can be ordered from Alex Jones’s web site:

All of the Youtube segments are gathered on one page here:

But this may be a handier way to access them:

Part 1.

Part 2.

Part 3.

Part 4

Part 5

Part 6

Part 7

Part 8

Part 9

Part 10

Part 11

Part 12

Part 13

Part 14

February 9th, 2009

Peking skyscraper fully ablaze –
but will it stand?


It will be interesting to see if the steel skeleton of this 34-floor tower entirely engulfed by flames suffers or collapses in anything like the fashion of the Twin Towers or WTC 7 on September 11, 2001.

And the answer is …?


No. Not even close. Nothing like.  (The kink in the building was there by design.)  More photos.

The steel neither melted nor weakened sufficiently to cause collapse of any sort — just like all the other burnt steel skyscrapers in history, except the three that collapsed neatly on 9/11/01.

One report says a big explosion also rocked the building — captured in this photo, perhaps.


Let’s see what the experts say …

January 26th, 2009

FBI says something positive about 9/11 Truth

See Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth.

January 17th, 2009

Memo to Files:
NorthCom created in 1999

Why does the Pentagon want a Command for the homeland?

Interesting that the Pentagon asked the President.

Congress (the people’s house)?   Apparently none of their damned business.

October 30th, 2008

9/11 truthers
shout down Bill Maher

I don’t know how old this tape is.  Kinda interesting.

And here’s a good montage of early reportage re explosions in the buildings that eventually fell.

Bonus Clip: Michael Scheuer, former CIA bin Laden hunter and author of Imperial Hubris and Marching Toward Hell, faces off with Bill Maher.

September 23rd, 2008

We’ve seen this movie before —
But is it EL CID or 1984?

ED NOTE: See comments below to follow the question of Bin Laden’s existence into May 2011, when the americans announce that bin Laden has been killed. I for one do not yet believe them.

The sudden heat in Pakistan has McCain and Obama stomping and swearing to get Osama next year.

But it seems most likely that Osama died around the time of the Tora Bora bombings in late 2001, when this video was released:


Around the same time, the CIA said it found on a Jalalabad computer another video of Osama.

But the blubbery fellow therein was probably somebody else.


True, this Fatty Osama (left above, right below), as he’s generally called, has appeared twice (if memory serves). He just doesn’t seem to be bin Laden. His nose, to begin.  His jocular manner. His jewelry.  Supposedly he’s writing with the wrong hand …

Moreover, he neither sounds like nor uses language like Osama, who, acccording to arabist Bruce Lawrence, speaks in an elevated, pious and poetic style most distinct. Neither Fatty Osama’s vulgar gloating over the attacks in his first video, nor the voice on recent tapes discussing world affairs like Wolf Blitzer, come close.

Lawrence has published a book of Osama’s messages and is one of Uncle Sam’s experts on his language, diction, and their meanings.  During 2006 he came to think something was fishy.  Then went on radio in 2007 to spread the news:

Lawrence, citing informants in the US intelligence apparatus’s Bin Laden units, told [radio host] Kevin Barrett that everyone knows the tape is fake, adding that the hoax has been kept alive because it is politically useful to those who wish to bolster the official 9/11 conspiracy that 19 hijackers directed by Bin Laden from a cave carried out the attacks.

Here’s another arabist, once employed in the 90s to translate and analyze a real Osama tape. He agrees with Lawrence, and is good to recall that shortly after the attacks in 2001 Osama told a Pakistan paper that he had nothing to do with them.

And here’s an overview of the question, including what purports to be a facsimile of an Egyptian newspaper that on December 26, 2001 reported bin Laden’s death.  The next day what seems like the last genuine video (first photo above) was released.


If indeed he’s long gone, then who’s pulling our leg?

Both sides have reason to keep the hero alive.

If Al Qaeda’s behind the curtain, then …

It’s El Cid.  Charlton Heston, as the legendary spanish hero in the wars with the Moors.

He dies one night, recall, in a besieged fortress, the battle far from won.  So his people prop the corpse on his horse. Tie a cross to his arms and back Jesus style. Then as dawn breaks they open the gates, slap the horse’s ass …

And El Cid rides again.


But if it’s Uncle Sam behind the scam, then  …

It’s Goldstein, from 1984:  the phantom jewish bolshevik terrorist on every telescreen noon and night, whose (non) existence grounds the propaganda of the police state and its perpetual war:


We are at war with Eurasia and have always been at war with Eurasia.”

But then, a month later:

“We are at war with East Asia and have always been at war with East Asia.”


El Cid.  Goldstein.  But not bin Laden. He probly dead.

So one wishes Obama would stop talking about Osama.

Talk about what is and will be.


September 20th, 2008

Zeitgeist – The Movie

Has everyone already seen this?

At attempt to deconstruct powers at war with humanity.

Seems the work of Libertarians (just a guess), with whom I  never quite agree.

Nevertheless worth chewing on.

Smaller bits of the whole are available on YouTube.

March 6th, 2008

9/11 truth leak on CBS radio

Steve Alten, the author of a fictional novel about the attacks, The Shell Game, apparently made some progress on CBS radio.

The fellow writing this up also says that Bob Kerrey (former 9/11 Commission member) is moving to set up a permanent commission to deal with the continual inflow of evidence and the like.  ??

February 9th, 2008

Sibel Edmonds and Marc Grossman

Noticed this in passing, re Mossad involvement in 9/11. Worth chewing.

December 27th, 2007

737 wing tip knocks over a truck

Here’s a clip of the tip of the wing of a trundling 737-700 knocking over a truck without pause, and with hardly any damage to the wing (see closeup late in the clip).

Recall that the wings of the 757-200 — a heftier jet (255,000 lbs vs 155,000) — that supposedly flew into the Pentagon on 9/11 supposedly folded up like closing scissors upon hitting the concrete walls and disappeared into a 16-20 foot wide hole (there to disintegrate), with little damage to the walls where the length of the wings and the engines made contact.

Wing span 124 feet.

December 16th, 2007

Lone Gunmen episode that forecasted 9/11 attack on WTC

I had heard about this Lone Gunmen episode before but never saw any of it until today. It was actually the series pilot, and aired March 4, 2001.



The story was about terrorists seizing control of an airliner with remote avionics, and flying it into the World Trade Center.

And it turned out that the terrorists were native: a “faction” within the U.S. national security apparat.

Their motive: to restart the cold war arms merchandizing. This seems (IMHO) the only element of the forecast to have been a bit off.

Recall Rice’s statement while testifying before the 9/11 Commission that no one in U.S. intel had anticipated terrorists flying jetliners into buildings. Seems the Octopus doesn’t watch television.

The series was an X-Files spinoff featuring the cool nerds (known to friends as the Lone Gunmen) who’d occasionally hack computers to aid the X-Files FBI paranormal team.

The X-Files (for those even less familiar with TV than me) was mostly about aliens in league, since Roswell, with certain Washington powers.

Here’s something: Journal of 9/11 Studies

October 27th, 2007

9/11 Syndrome films:
Land of Plenty
Fay Grim
Sorry, Haters

These rather unknown but fine films are all about people on the rack of life post 9/11, sliding down into their seats as they enter the Terrordrome.

The first two, however, are gentle things that work toward healing.

The last — like most mental illnesses you’ll find in the American Psychiatric Association’s Diagnostic and Statistical Manualruns a chronic course.

1. Land of Plenty — by Wim Wenders — is a low-key gem about a young woman (Michelle Williams — wonderful) returning from Israel to find her last known relative: a Vietnam-vet uncle on a self-appointed mission to secure Los Angeles County from terror.

Note: It was shot with a Panasonic DVX-100, an inexpensive digital video camera that I used in a filmmaking course this summer. Looks great; end of debate.

Wim has made two of my favorite films, Wings of Desire and Until the End of the World.

Bonus: His recent Don’t Come Knocking got creamed by critics — but having just seen it I don’t see why. Sam Shepard as an aging Western star who flees the set to find what’s missing. Tim Roth as the completion-bond bounty hunter sent to track him down. They wind up in Butte, Montana, where Jessica Lange and others are waiting.

2. Fay Grim is a superior sequel — by Hal Hartley — to his odd success Henry Fool. The story takes a turn into the 21st century when it turns out Henry was not a mad drunk after all, but a CIA fool once tight with the charismatic leader of the mujahadin in Afghanistan during the 80s, and now on the run from his employers, in the person of Jeff Goldblum.

Parker Posey plays Henry’s honeypie wife, Fay. Sweetly stimulating.

And James Urbaniak is great as a garbageman turned poet and winner of the Nobel Prize for Literature who defines a cool New Jersey state of mind.

3. Sorry, Haters stars Robin Wright Penn as a NYker who works for a reality TV show — Sorry, Haters! — that showcases the lives of the rich and famous of Hip Hop and what not. No wonder she’s going mad, and daydreams while jamming forks into her palms about fixing 9/11. She seems to have a plan — but needs a nice Arab cab driver to carry it out.

September 11th, 2007

Tuesday Afternoon, 9/11


For the first time the anniversary falls on a Tuesday.

Tuesday six years ago was a crisp, clear day in New York. Today the pall of Mordor has issued forth, oppressing the city, and one daydreams of the Shire.


It seems that September 11 has supplanted July 4 as our national day.

What then has supplanted the Declaration of Independence?

The Patriot Act?


Has the country been born again?

What does its future look like, when the hearts & minds stray from the day the Declaration was signed to embrace a martial defeat that breeds ever more momentous defeats?

The remainder of this rather lengthy piece, enhanced with many a curious link, has been filed elsewhere click here to read.

And then please feel happy to post comments below.


August 26th, 2007

Robert Fisk re 9/11

robert fisk of course is the independent’s mideast correspondent.


I am increasingly troubled at the inconsistencies in the official narrative of 9/11. It’s not just the obvious non sequiturs: where are the aircraft parts (engines, etc) from the attack on the Pentagon? Why have the officials involved in the United 93 flight (which crashed in Pennsylvania) been muzzled? Why did flight 93′s debris spread over miles when it was supposed to have crashed in one piece in a field? Again, I’m not talking about the crazed “research” of David Icke’s Alice in Wonderland and the World Trade Center Disaster – which should send any sane man back to reading the telephone directory.

I am talking about scientific issues. If it is true, for example, that kerosene burns at 820C under optimum conditions, how come the steel beams of the twin towers – whose melting point is supposed to be about 1,480C – would snap through at the same time? (They collapsed in 8.1 and 10 seconds.) What about the third tower – the so-called World Trade Centre Building 7 (or the Salmon Brothers Building) – which collapsed in 6.6 seconds in its own footprint at 5.20pm on 11 September? Why did it so neatly fall to the ground when no aircraft had hit it? The American National Institute of Standards and Technology was instructed to analyse the cause of the destruction of all three buildings. They have not yet reported on WTC 7. Two prominent American professors of mechanical engineering – very definitely not in the “raver” bracket – are now legally challenging the terms of reference of this final report on the grounds that it could be “fraudulent or deceptive”.

Journalistically, there were many odd things about 9/11. Initial reports of reporters that they heard “explosions” in the towers – which could well have been the beams cracking – are easy to dismiss. Less so the report that the body of a female air crew member was found in a Manhattan street with her hands bound. OK, so let’s claim that was just hearsay reporting at the time, just as the CIA’s list of Arab suicide-hijackers, which included three men who were – and still are – very much alive and living in the Middle East, was an initial intelligence error.

But what about the weird letter allegedly written by Mohamed Atta, the Egyptian hijacker-murderer with the spooky face, whose “Islamic” advice to his gruesome comrades – released by the CIA – mystified every Muslim friend I know in the Middle East? Atta mentioned his family – which no Muslim, however ill-taught, would be likely to include in such a prayer. He reminds his comrades-in-murder to say the first Muslim prayer of the day and then goes on to quote from it. But no Muslim would need such a reminder – let alone expect the text of the “Fajr” prayer to be included in Atta’s letter.

Let me repeat. I am not a conspiracy theorist. Spare me the ravers. Spare me the plots. But like everyone else, I would like to know the full story of 9/11, not least because it was the trigger for the whole lunatic, meretricious “war on terror” which has led us to disaster in Iraq and Afghanistan and in much of the Middle East. Bush’s happily departed adviser Karl Rove once said that “we’re an empire now – we create our own reality”. True? At least tell us. It would stop people kicking over chairs.

July 5th, 2007

NIST investigating “blast events” as cause of WTC collapse

NIST Exploring 9/11 “Blast Events” for WTC-7; New Witness Confirms Scholars Previous Findings

The National Institute for Standards and Technology appears to be moving in the direction of a conspiracy theory about the destruction of WTC-7. This comes as a new witness reports explosions inside the building early that morning, long before the building would be destroyed at 5:20 PM. This reinforces Scholars for 9/11 Truth previous finding that WTC-7 was a controlled demolition, which they believe the government is trying to conceal.

Madison, WI (PRWEB) July 5, 2007 — The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) appears to be moving in the direction of a “conspiracy theory” about the destruction of WTC-7 on 9/11 just as a new witness has emerged reporting extensive destruction inside the building many hours before it would be demolished. According to James Fetzer, the founder of Scholars for 9/11 Truth, these turns of events provide further confirmation for the conclusion that WTC-7 was brought down by a controlled demolition at 5:20 PM/ET. “Anyone who googles WTC-7 will see an event that looks exactly like a controlled demolition, just as Peter Jennings and Dan Rather reported at the time. That is why this event makes NIST so uncomfortable.” Controlled demolitions require elaborate preparation.

WTC-7, a 47-story building also known as the Soloman Brothers Building, collapsed about 7 hours after the Twin Towers were demolished. It was hit by no jet aircraft and had no jet-fuel based fires. “It did have a few modest fires, which could have been easily contained but were allowed to burn,” Fetzer said. “Remarkably, the fire alarm system in WTC-7 was turned off at 6:47 AM/ET and placed on ‘TEST’ status for a period of eight hours.” In its latest press release (29 June 2007), NIST acknowledges that NIST is “considering whether hypothetical blast events could have played a role in initiating the collapse . . . (and) led to (WTC-7′s) structural failure” ( Blast events would be consistent with a controlled demolition.

A new eyewitness inside WTC-7 on the morning of 9/11 heard explosions before either of the Twin Towers collapsed. He was summoned to the Office of Emergency Management Operating Center (OEMOC), also known as “Rudy’s Bunker,” on the 23rd floor of the building. The center had been especially prepared for the Mayor and other officials to gather in case of a terrorist attack or other emergency. Some have wondered why Giuliani did not go to the OEMOC but instead remained some distance from the World Trade Center. This witness, who testified at official hearings and whose identity will be revealed in the general-theater-release version of “Loose Change,” has information that sheds light on this and other questions about WTC-7.

Rolf Lindgren, former Vice-Chair of the Libertarian Party of Wisconsin and independent scholar of the events of 9/11, transcribed the testimony and edited it for clarity of English. The complete transcript is below. The witness went to WTC-7 after the first plane struck the North Tower and before the second hit the South Tower. When he arrived at the 23rd floor, he found half-eaten sandwiches and still-steaming coffee. He made some phone calls and was told to leave “right away.” Someone ran into the Center and led him to a stairwell. “When we reached the 6th floor, the landing that we were standing on gave way; there was an explosion and the landing gave way.” He had to climb back up to the 8th floor to find a way out. When he got to the lobby, “the lobby was totally destroyed. It looked like King Kong had come through and stepped on it.. And it was so destroyed I didn’t know where I was . . . (and) they had to take me out through a hole in the wall, . . . a hole that I believe the fire department made to get me out.”

WTC-7 has been widely regarded within the 9/11 research community as the most blatant of all “smoking guns” that disprove the official account. According to David Ray Griffin, a member of Scholars for 9/11 Truth and the movement’s leading representative, the building showed all the characteristics of a controlled demolition: an abrupt, complete, and total collapse at freefall speed, which was perfectly symmetrical and into its own foundation, as he has explained in his latest book, Debunking 9/11 Debunking (2007). “NIST has yet to explain it,” Fetzer observed. “The ‘blast events’ this witness is describing are not ‘hypothetical’ but actual. Only actual events can bring about effects. So it’s a bit labored for NIST to say it’s considering whether ‘hypothetical’ blast events could have played a role in initiating the collapse. They could not. That requires real blast events.”

The witness, who was interviewed by Dylan Avery (with audio clips played on Alex Jones’ and on Dylan’s shows), has expressed his puzzlement over the destruction of the building. “Well, I’m just confused about one thing and one thing only,” he said, “why World Trade Center 7 went down in the first place? I’m very confused about that. I know what I heard; I heard explosions. The explanation I got was it was the fuel oil tank. I’m an old boiler guy. If it was the fuel oil tank, it would have been one side of the building.” But the collapse was symmetrical. “There was a large tank of diesel in the building,” Fetzer said, “but diesel burns at a low temperature and diesel is not explosive. It cannot have brought about this collapse.”

In his opinion, anyone who has watched the building come down can appreciate that it has all of the characteristics of a controlled demolition. Even James Glanz, a reporter for The New York Times, admitted in an early story (29 November 2001) that the collapse of WTC-7 is even more perplexing than is the destruction of the Twin Towers, because no reinforced, steel structure high-rise building had ever collapsed due to fire in the history of structural engineering. “Indeed, no steel structure high-rise collapsed due to fire before 9/11 nor after 9/11 – nor, if our research is correct, on 9/11,” Fetzer said. “None of these fires burned long enough or hot enough to cause steel to weaken, much less melt. It must be embarrassing for the scientists at the NIST to defend these ridiculous theories.”

Lindgren, who has extensive experience with press releases, added, “Friday afternoon is the best time of the week for the government to bury unpleasant news. Since NIST insists it has found ‘no evidence’ of a controlled demolition, it must not consider the videos of WCT-7′s collapse as ‘evidence,’ because they leave no room for doubt. The fires in Building 7 provide a good cover story to hide the fact that powerful explosives brought it down.” He is also not impressed with Giuliani’s excuse for not going to his command center, which is that another plane could have been headed for it. “But if another plane was headed toward the World Trade Center, then he should have directed that the firemen be removed from all the buildings, which he did not do.” (See ).

There were other oddities related to WTC-7, including Larry Silverstein reporting (during a PBS interview) that he had suggested to the fire commander that the best thing to do might be to “pull it” (where, he said, “They made the decision to pull, and we watched the building come down”) and the BBC broadcast of a report of the collapse of “the Solomon Brothers Building” at least 23 minutes before the event would actually occur. “This was stunning,” Fetzer said, “because you could see WTC-7 in the background over her left shoulder as she reported its collapse. It is hard to imagine a more revealing demonstration of the entanglement of the intelligence agencies, the administration, and the mass media. And a ‘terrorism drill’ was scheduled for the next day.” The PBS interview and the BBC report are archived on the Scholars site at

“If Rosie O’Donnell had talked about ‘blast events initiating the collapse of WTC-7,” Fetzer said, “she would have been labeled a ‘conspiracy theorist.’ But then the official government account of 19 Islamic fundamentalists hijacking four commercial airlines, outfoxing the most sophisticated air defense system in the world to perpetrate these atrocities under the control of a guy in a cave in Afghanistan is only the most ‘outrageous’ conspiracy theory of them all. I guess we should be grateful that NIST is moving inch by inch toward a more adequate explanation of what actually happened on 9/11, which bears no relationship at all to what we have been told. Given the cumulative evidence, we are not ‘conspiracy theorists’ but ‘conspiracy realists.’”

WTC 7 Eyewitness Testimony Transcribed by Rolf Lindgren (edited for clarity with notes): Go to and click on “Press Releases” at the top.

July 4th, 2007

French gov’t minister wonders if Bush & co. fixed 9/11

Bush Behind 9/11: French Minister
by & News Agencies

A high-profile French politician, now a minister in President Nicolas Sarkozy’s government, has suggested that US President George W. Bush might have been behind the terrorist 9/11 attacks.

“I think it is possible. I think it is possible,” Christine Boutin, now a Housing Minister, said in a video interview that started to seep into the mainstream media and was highlighted by Reuters Saturday, July 07.

Almost 3,000 people were killed when hijackers crashed planes into the World Trade Center in New York and the Pentagon in Washington in 2001.

The attacks were claimed by Al-Qaeda leader Osama Bin Laden.

Some conspiracy theories argue that the collapse of the World Trade Center was the result of a controlled demolition.

Foreign activists and intellectuals did not buy that the massive terrorist operation was the work of Al-Qaeda, arguing that the attacks were orchestrated by the Bush administration to enforce into dominance drive on the world by force.

Some theorists also contend that a commercial airliner did not crash into the Pentagon and that the airline was shot down.

A recent Scripps Howard/Ohio University poll said that more than one-third of Americans believe US officials helped in the 9/11 attacks or took no action to stop them.

In 2002, a book claiming that no plane hit the Pentagon in the 9/11 attacks topped the French bestseller lists.

The White House revealed a security memo in 2004 under the Freedom of Information Act that warned of possible terrorist acts in the US one month before the 9/11 attacks.

The memo was received by Bush on August 6, 2001, and warned that Al-Qaeda network of Osama Bin Laden had penetrated the United States and could resort to plane hijackings.

Voice of the Masses

Boutin said that the websites that challenge Al-Qaeda role on the attack are drawing the largest numbers of visitors.

“I know that the websites that speak of this problem are websites that have the highest number of visits …,” Boutin said in the interview posted on the website which promotes the 9/11 conspiracy theories.

“I tell myself that this expression of the masses and of the people cannot be without any truth.”

Boutin’s remarks have immediately drawn attention of the French media.

“Christine Boutin snared by her controversial suggestions about Sept. 11,” Le Monde newspaper said in a headline.

Boutin’s office sought to play down her remarks about Bush’s role in the attacks.

Spokesman Christian Dupont was quoted by Liberation newspaper as saying that Boutin had not wanted to appear pro or anti-Bush at a time when Sarkozy was being branded a “US poodle” after meeting the president in Washington.

“And then she is not the foreign minister,” Dupont added.

Boutin’s office said that she said later in the interview that “I’m not telling you that I adhere to that position.”

But this comment does not appear on the video clip on the website.

April 12th, 2007

Airline Pilots re 9/11 truth

Below is a recent press release from an airline pilots’ 9/11-truth organization. I found it at Axis of Logic:

but you can go the pilots’ site as well:

The pilots say they recently got hold of the NTSB study (2002) of American Airlines Flight 77 (supposed to have hit the Pentagon) thru FOIA, and that the analysis therein seems to clearly say that the large plane that passed that way that day was too high:

(a) to have knocked down the 5 or 6 light poles,

(b) to have appeared in the Pentagon security camera footage, and

(c) to have hit the Pentagon. (See press release)

I do remember seeing reports of at least one eyewitness who supposedly said that the large plane that day actually flew OVER the Pentagon as the attack occurred and landed at Dulles shortly after. These reports fed speculation that what hit the Pentagon was a military drone or missile launched by and/or controlled by the larger plane.

The 9/11 commish report acknowledges that an air force electronic surveillance/command plane was over the Pentagon when it was hit. A bit of the pilot’s testimony is in the report; his name is public.

He was also in the air earlier that morning (same plane) over Shanksville, Pa when whatever happened there happened. I’ve never seen any satisfactory account of this fellow, esp as to how, in a lumbering plane, he was able to be so on-the-spot — twice — while the fighter jets it seems were not.

I don’t mean that the picture is now clear. Just that it continues to make too little sense to be credible.



Contact: Robert Balsamo


Pilots for 9/11 Truth, an international organization of pilots and aviation professionals, petitioned the National Transportation and Safety Board (NTSB) via the Freedom of Information Act to obtain their 2002 report, “Flight Path Study-American Airlines Flight 77″, consisting of a Comma Separated Value (CSV) file and Flight Path Animation, allegedly derived from Flight 77′s Flight Data Recorder (FDR).

The data provided by the NTSB contradict the 9/11 Commission Report in several significant ways:

1. The NTSB Flight Path Animation approach path and altitude does not support official events.

2. All Altitude data shows the aircraft at least 300 feet too high to have struck the light poles.

3. The rate of descent data is in direct conflict with the aircraft being able to impact the light poles and be captured in the Dept of Defense “5 Frames” video of an object traveling nearly parallel with the Pentagon lawn.

4. The record of data stops at least one second prior to official impact time.

5. If data trends are continued, the aircraft altitude would have been at least 100 feet too high to have hit the Pentagon.

In August, 2006, members of Pilots for 9/11 Truth received these documents from the NTSB and began a close analysis of the data they contain. After expert review and cross check, Pilots for 9/11 Truth has concluded that the information in these NTSB documents does not support, and in some instances factually contradicts, the official government position that American Airlines Flight 77 struck the Pentagon on the morning of September 11, 2001.

According to the 9/11 Commission Report, which relied heavily upon the NTSB Flight Path Study, American Airlines Flight 77 struck the Pentagon at 9:37:46 AM on the morning of September 11, 2001. However, the reported impact time according to the NTSB Flight Path Study is 09:37:45. Also according to reports, American Airlines Flight 77 struck the Pentagon and by doing so, struck down 5 light poles on Highway 27 in its path to the west wall.

The information provided by the NTSB does not support the 9/11 Commission Report of American Airlines Flight 77 impact with the Pentagon.

Pilots for 9/11 Truth is committed to discovering the truth surrounding the events of September 11, 2001. We have contacted both the NTSB and the FBI regarding these and other inconsistencies. To date, they have refused to comment on, correct, refute, retract or offer side-letters that might explain the discrepancies between what they claim are the data extracted from the FDR of AA Flight 77 and the official story alleging its crash into the Pentagon.

As concerned citizens and professionals in the aviation industry, Pilots for 9/11 Truth asks, why have these discrepancies not been addressed by agencies within the United States Government? Why have they falsely represented their own data to the American people? Pilots for 9/11 Truth takes the position that an official government inquiry into these discrepancies is warranted and long overdue. We call upon our fellow citizens to write to their Congressional representatives to inform them of these discrepancies and call for an immediate investigation into this matter. For more information please visit


Robert Balsamo
4000+ Total Flight Time
Former: Independence Air/Atlantic Coast Airlines

Glen Stanish
15,000+ Total Flight Time
American Airlines, ATA, TWA, Continental

Captain Russ Wittenberg (ret)
30,000+ Total Flight Time
Former Pan Am, United
United States Air Force (ret)
Over 100 Combat Missions Flown

John Lear
Son of Bill Lear
Founder, creator of the Lear Jet Corporation
More than 40 years of Flying
19,000+ Total Flight Time

Captain Jeff Latas
USAF (ret)
Captain – JetBlue Airways

Ted Muga
Naval Aviator – Retired Commander, USNR

Col Robert Bowman USAF (ret)
Directed all the “Star Wars” programs under Presidents Ford and Carter – 101 combat missions

Alfons Olszewski
Founder Veterans For Truth
US Army (ret), Aircraft Maintenance Crew Chief

Robin Hordon
Former Boston Center Controller
Commercial Pilot

John Panarelli
Friend and fellow aviator of John Ogonowski
Capt. AA #11
11,000+ Total Flight Time

Eastern Metro, Braniff, Ryan International, Emery
Worldwide, Polar Air Cargo

Lt. Colonel Shelton F. Lankford
United States Marine Corps (ret) – 10,000+ Total Flight Time 303 Combat Missions

Captain Dan Govatos
10,000+ Total Flight Time
Former Chief Pilot of Casino Express airlines, Director of Operations Training at Polar Air

George Nelson, Colonel USAF (Ret.) Licensed Commercial Pilot and Aircraft Mechanic

Dennis Spear
Army Aviator (ret)
7000+ Total Flight Time Operations Officer, Aviation Safety Officer

Captain Joe H. Ferguson
30,000+ Total Flight Time (ret) USAF (ret)


February 7th, 2007

Guardian joins chorus contra 9/11 truth nuts

A while back The Nation broke its silence with Roots of Paranoia, dismissing with  a conceptually empty paternal piece people who find the official story of 9/11 unbelievable. Yesterday The Guardian (a bit below) contributed its guffaw. The substance and rhetoric in these things are so weak, one wonders why they bother. Pressure to say something, I suppose. Pressure from above or below?

A 9/11 conspiracy virus is sweeping the world, but it has no basis in fact

George Monbiot
Tuesday February 6, 2007
The Guardian

There is a virus sweeping the world. It infects opponents of the Bush government, sucks their brains out through their eyes and turns them into gibbering idiots. First cultivated in a laboratory in the US, the strain reached these shores a few months ago. In the past fortnight, it has become an epidemic. Scarcely a day now passes without someone possessed by this sickness, eyes rolling, lips flecked with foam, trying to infect me.

The disease is called Loose Change. It is a film made by three young men that airs most of the standard conspiracy theories about the attacks of September 11 2001. Unlike the other 9/11 conspiracy films, Loose Change is sharp and swift, with a thumping soundtrack, slick graphics and a calm and authoritative voiceover. Its makers claim that it has now been watched by 100 million people.

January 24th, 2007

Wm Rodriguez still talking re WTC explosions

Story below re Wm Rodriguez, who worked in the WTC and has spoken at length re hearing and experiencing explosions in the building well before the collapses.

Here he says the first occurred circa 830 am and 22 other people in a basement office with him heard and felt them. Who are the 22 people?

I didn’t realize that his testimony to the 9/11 commish was closed session — and that Zelikow then blacked him out of the 911 Commish Report entirely. Another black mark re the Report.

Nor did I know (but am happy to see) that Hillary has dared pose with him.

May come back to haunt her.

Key 9/11 survivor in Lancaster
THE last man to leave the World Trade Center building alive is coming to Lancaster on Thursday, February 8, to speak on his experiences during and since 9/11

WILLIAM Rodriguez was working as a janitor in the World Trade Center on the ninth of September 2001 when he heard explosions – from below.

But William didn’t just try to save his own skin; as the only key holder for the North Tower stairwell where he was working, he unlocked doors and helped firefighters to rescue hundreds of people.

William was also the last survivor to leave the building. He spent the rest of 9/11 helping out as a volunteer in the rescue efforts, and at dawn the following morning, was back at Ground Zero continuing his efforts.

After 9/11 William lost his job and has worked ever since to help others who were affected by the atrocities.

In February William is coming to Lancaster to tell his side of the story; a story the US Government would not let him tell in full.

William, a native of Puerto Rico, a citizen of the United States and a resident of the State of New Jersey, was employed as a maintenance worker at the 110-storey World Trade Center building for 19 years.

William with Hillary Clinton.

Arriving at 8.30am on the morning of 9/11, he went to the maintenance office located on the first sub-level, one of six sub-basements beneath ground level.

Fourteen people were in the office at that time. As he was talking with others, he says there was an incredibly loud and powerful explosion which seemed to emanate from between sub-basement B2 and B3. There were 22 people on B2 sub-basement who also felt and heard that first explosion.

At first William thought it was a generator that had exploded, but the cement walls in the office cracked from the explosion.

“When I heard the sound of the explosion, the floor beneath my feet vibrated, the walls started cracking and everything started shaking,” said William, who was crowded together in the office with 14 other people, including Anthony Saltamachia, supervisor for the American Maintenance Company.

Just seconds later he says there was another explosion high above which made the building oscillate momentarily. This, he was later told, was a plane hitting the 90th floor.

Then he says there were other explosions just above B1 and individuals started heading for the loading dock to escape the fires caused by the blasts.

Unlocking doors for the firefighters as he went, William got to the 39th floor before he was turned back by the firefighters. As he began his descent he heard a plane hit the south tower.

Down at ground level he saw the mangled and bloodied bodies of people who had jumped. William says he will never forget the anguish that hit him, or the sight of the senseless carnage.

The Twin Towers were the only known steel frame buildings in history claimed to have failed because of fire. Other steel frame buildings have been known to burn for hours and hours and not collapse. The cause of the Twin Towers’ failure is not known because the evidence was rendered unavailable for investigation.

Independent investigators said both towers suspiciously fell “like a house of cards,” claiming that William probably heard pre-arranged detonated bomb blasts, strategically placed and timed to make it appear that the plane was the cause of the collapse.

After the trauma of losing many of his close friends and the sheer horror of the events of 9/11, William looked forward to his appearance at a closed-door hearing of the 9/11 Commission.

But he started changing his opinion as he saw how the commission worked, and also when the American media edited out his testimonies about hearing bomb blasts in the buildings, whilst the Spanish media reported his claims unedited.

William was one of the last people to testify to the commission and spoke behind closed doors, unlike other witnesses. His testimony was not included in the final report

He said the commission didn’t answer his questions and avoided the issues he was presenting. When the administration started to link the 9/11 attacks with the preparations of the 2003 Iraq war, he said he felt “manipulated and used”.

He also sought out the National Institutes of Technology, which was investigating the collapse of the WTC, but was sent packing.

And the FBI was not interested in his claim that he’d met one of the hijackers ‘casing’ the buildings several months before 9/11.

In October 2004, William filed a civil lawsuit directed against George W Bush, Richard B Cheney, Donald H Rumsfeld and others, including a total of 100 defendants, together with Ellen Mariani and lawyer Phil Berg. The RICO Act is normally used by the US government to nail organised crime as a conspiracy, but this time it was used against the government itself, claiming a conspiracy on its part.

The government filed a motion to dismiss, or at least transfer, the case on grounds of national security. Berg answered by filing an affidavit that alleged the defendants “had knowledge that the attacks were impending… but they failed to (take countermeasures), not by reason of mere negligence, confusion, or ineptitude, but because they affirmatively desired such attacks to occur.”

William said: “I have tried to tell my story to everybody, but nobody wants to listen. It is very strange what is going on here in supposedly the most democratic country in the world. In my home country of Puerto Rico and all the other Latin American countries, I have been allowed to tell my story uncensored. But here, I can’t even say a word.”