September 23rd, 2008

We’ve seen this movie before —
But is it EL CID or 1984?

ED NOTE: See comments below to follow the question of Bin Laden’s existence into May 2011, when the americans announce that bin Laden has been killed. I for one do not yet believe them.

The sudden heat in Pakistan has McCain and Obama stomping and swearing to get Osama next year.

But it seems most likely that Osama died around the time of the Tora Bora bombings in late 2001, when this video was released:


Around the same time, the CIA said it found on a Jalalabad computer another video of Osama.

But the blubbery fellow therein was probably somebody else.


True, this Fatty Osama (left above, right below), as he’s generally called, has appeared twice (if memory serves). He just doesn’t seem to be bin Laden. His nose, to begin.  His jocular manner. His jewelry.  Supposedly he’s writing with the wrong hand …

Moreover, he neither sounds like nor uses language like Osama, who, acccording to arabist Bruce Lawrence, speaks in an elevated, pious and poetic style most distinct. Neither Fatty Osama’s vulgar gloating over the attacks in his first video, nor the voice on recent tapes discussing world affairs like Wolf Blitzer, come close.

Lawrence has published a book of Osama’s messages and is one of Uncle Sam’s experts on his language, diction, and their meanings.  During 2006 he came to think something was fishy.  Then went on radio in 2007 to spread the news:

Lawrence, citing informants in the US intelligence apparatus’s Bin Laden units, told [radio host] Kevin Barrett that everyone knows the tape is fake, adding that the hoax has been kept alive because it is politically useful to those who wish to bolster the official 9/11 conspiracy that 19 hijackers directed by Bin Laden from a cave carried out the attacks.

Here’s another arabist, once employed in the 90s to translate and analyze a real Osama tape. He agrees with Lawrence, and is good to recall that shortly after the attacks in 2001 Osama told a Pakistan paper that he had nothing to do with them.

And here’s an overview of the question, including what purports to be a facsimile of an Egyptian newspaper that on December 26, 2001 reported bin Laden’s death.  The next day what seems like the last genuine video (first photo above) was released.


If indeed he’s long gone, then who’s pulling our leg?

Both sides have reason to keep the hero alive.

If Al Qaeda’s behind the curtain, then …

It’s El Cid.  Charlton Heston, as the legendary spanish hero in the wars with the Moors.

He dies one night, recall, in a besieged fortress, the battle far from won.  So his people prop the corpse on his horse. Tie a cross to his arms and back Jesus style. Then as dawn breaks they open the gates, slap the horse’s ass …

And El Cid rides again.


But if it’s Uncle Sam behind the scam, then  …

It’s Goldstein, from 1984:  the phantom jewish bolshevik terrorist on every telescreen noon and night, whose (non) existence grounds the propaganda of the police state and its perpetual war:


We are at war with Eurasia and have always been at war with Eurasia.”

But then, a month later:

“We are at war with East Asia and have always been at war with East Asia.”


El Cid.  Goldstein.  But not bin Laden. He probly dead.

So one wishes Obama would stop talking about Osama.

Talk about what is and will be.


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  1. ed says:


    1.  A new Al Qaeda video is released — starring Adam Gadahn, the silly fellow from Orange County, California for whose skin Uncle Sam has offered a cool million dollars.

    He scopes out the global situation and struggle.

    But where’s Osama?

    2. Also note that the “Blotter” at ABC News online (linked twice above) — where this and other War on Terror stories are archived — is managed by (non) journalist Brian Ross — who perpetrated the hoax that the anthrax attacks in the U.S. in 2001 were sourced in Saddam Hussein’s Baghdad.

    Folded in with the Weapons of Mass Destruction hoax, Ross’s campaign helped sell the Iraq war and get it off the ground.

    Ross (that is to say) is a Mossadist in deed if not name.

    October 4th, 2008 at 5:58 pm

  2. ed says:

    Here’s a report of a comment by Walter Cronkite that the supposed Obama tape released shortly before the 2004 elections was a Karl Rove job:


    Former CBSNEWS anchorman Walter Cronkite believes Bush adviser Karl Rove is possibly behind the new Bin Laden tape.

    Cronkite made the startling comments late Friday during an interview on CNN.

    Somewhat smiling, Cronkite said he is “inclined to think that Karl Rove, the political manager at the White House, who is a very clever man, he probably set up bin Laden to this thing.”

    Interviewer Larry King did not ask Cronkite to elaborate on the provocative election eve observation.


    October 31st, 2008 at 9:45 pm

  3. ed says:

    An interesting two days in the Hunt for what increasingly seems to be Goldstein.

    First, on Wednesday, November 12, came a slew of insider tidibts, e.g., from former CIA mideast activist Robert Baer:

    told CNN he’s talked to “a dozen CIA guys who’ve been on the hunt for him, and half of them told me they assumed he was dead, the other half said they assumed he was alive, but the key word here is assume. They don’t know.”

    But the same story (fair and balanced) also looks on the bright side:


    Cooperation from Pakistan’s military has been touchy, and most experts agree finding bin Laden is not a priority for Pakistan’s troops.

    [Dalton Fury, the commander of special operations at Tora Bora], says the best route for the president-elect to take would be to change the dialogue about bin Laden. Intelligence officials do not believe he is playing an operational role and so has no reason to move around or communicate.


    “I think it’s important to understand that bin Laden had his chance at martyrdom. He was in the mountains of Tora Bora, he ran away. In my opinion, I think we ought to promote this,” Fury said.

    He believes taunting the al Qaeda leader may force him to prove he’s relevant and, in the process, lead the United States right to him. …

    “I don’t think the American people will accept him surviving and us leaving. We will be the laughingstock of the world,” Fury said.


    The next day, Thursday the 13th, when the laughter had died down, General Michael Hayden — former head of the NSA and now CIA director — sallied forth suddenly to talk in public at length about the War on Terror and Bin Laden — in other words, about Pakistan:


    “He is putting a lot of energy into his own survival, a lot of energy into his own security. In fact, he appears to be largely isolated from the day-to-day operations of the organisation he nominally heads,” said Hayden, referring to the al-Qaeda network.

    He suggested that bin Laden was hiding somewhere in the remote Afghanistan-Pakistan border region, where he said al-Qaeda has regrouped and bolstered its organisation.

    Mr Hayden described “the sheer challenge of surveying every square mile of that inhospitable and dangerous region.”

    “I can assure you, although there has been press speculation to the contrary, I can assure you that the hunt for bin Laden is very much at the top of CIA’s priority list,” he said claiming that killing or capturing bin Laden would deal a severe blow to the terror network blamed for the attacks of September 11, 2001.

    “Because of his iconic stature, his death or capture clearly would have a significant impact on the confidence of his followers, both core al-Qaeda and these unaffiliated extremists … throughout the world.”

    He also claimed that US pressure in Pakistan’s borderlands was succeeding in knocking al-Qaeda “off balance.

    Mr Hayden said several al-Qaeda veterans had been eliminated “by violence or natural causes” in the past year but he said that the hunt for Osama bin Laden was still “at the top of CIA’s priority list.”


    Terence this is stupid stuff

    I’ll get my 1984 and type out some of the press clippings there. Re the fiend Goldstein. Then we’ll compare to General Haydn’s fare.

    AND NOTE that Hayden’s comments may have been provoked by stories earlier in the day out of Camp Obama that Getting Osama was indeed going to be a high priority for the new regime.


    I take all this to mean, alas, that a full scale NATO invasion of the northwest territories of Pakistan — the autonomous (anarchic) Tribal Areas — is on the books for early next year, to be staged from Afghanistan, in cooperation with the ailing Islamabad government and its considerable army, the latter which will be coming up from the south.

    The CNN segment signage?

    The HUNT for OSAMA …

    Everything is now clear.

    Unless clear as mud …

    November 15th, 2008 at 3:45 am

  4. ed says:

    This week the leading thinkier of Al Qaeda, Ayman al-Zawahri, often referred to as Number Two behind Osama Bin Laden, released a video referring to Barack Obama as a “house slave.”

    The main point of the piece seems to be to argue against the Afghan Surge.

    Where’s Osama bin Laden?

    He continues to seem dead.

    November 21st, 2008 at 1:33 pm

  5. ed says:

    An audiotape said to be Osama surfaces, criticizing the Israeli assault on Gaza.

    Obama, shortly before his inauguration, tells CBS it’s no longer important to get Osama.

    January 15th, 2009 at 10:43 am

  6. ed says:

    Career CIAist Milt Bearden, who ran the CIA program contra Soviet Union in Afghanistan, talking BEFORE 9/11 about the creation of the bin Laden myth — both Goldstein and El Cid:


    [T]here are two sides to what I think is a cultural clash here in 1999.

    You have on the one side essentially the United States and to a much, much smaller degree the United Kingdom, on the other side you have, call it fundamentalist Islam.

    Both sides are rallied behind what I am calling the North Star, and that’s Osama bin Laden.

    For the United States, he is public enemy number one.

    We’ve got a $5 million reward out for his head.

    We’ve blamed him for every horrible event in our history except the grassy knoll.

    And now we have, with I’m not sure what evidence, linked him to all of the terrorist acts of this year … of this decade, perhaps.

    That’s what he means to us. That’s why what I say he is our North Star.

    On the other side, we have given fundamentalist Islam their North Star, a rallying point.

    If the enemy of our enemy is our friend, then Osama bin Laden is the North Star to every fundamentalist Muslim who goes to Friday prayers and hears a mullah condemn the United States.

    So, it seems there’s that common bond, the thing that brings us together is the North Star, and we’re just viewing it from different perspectives. …

    November 18th, 2009 at 2:35 am

  7. ed says:

    John Burns in the Times reports that, faced with Obama’s cave-in to the Apparat and Gordon Brown’s demands for more Paki troops to, inter alia, hunt down Osama — the Paki prime minister replies that Bin Laden is not in Pakistan:


    “I doubt the information which you are giving is correct because I don’t think Osama bin Laden is in Pakistan,” Mr. Gilani said, echoing similar comments by other Pakistani leaders in recent years who have sometimes hinted that they believe Mr. bin Laden died of renal failure some time after trekking over the 14,000-foot shoulder of the Tora Bora mountains. The Pakistani leader did not indicate where Mr. bin Laden might be if he is not in Pakistan.

    Western intelligence officials concluded long ago that the senior Qaeda leaders had taken sanctuary most likely in North or South Waziristan, some 200 miles from Islamabad, Pakistan’s capital.

    December 3rd, 2009 at 6:17 pm

  8. ed says:

    JUAN COLE reviewing Bush-Cheney reactions to the Shoe Bomber and (what seems to me) the last Osama Bin Laden video — each in December 2001:

    As for the then Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld, his response to the airliner attack and Bin Laden’s videotape was to announce that with regard to intelligence reports on Bin Laden’s whereabouts, “I’ve stopped chasing them.”

    Rumsfeld helpfully explained, “We do know of certain knowledge that he is either in Afghanistan or in some other country or dead. And we know of certain knowledge that we don’t know which of those happens to be the case.”

    He had ‘stopped chasing’ intelligence on Bin Laden’s location? On December 27, 2001?


    January 3rd, 2010 at 2:56 pm

  9. ed says:

    Al Jazeera is publishing a new audio tape that purports to be from Osama bin Laden, speaking with brotherly praise of the recent Underpants Bomber.

    The point of the tape — laser focus — is Palestine. I imagine it may have been a direct response to Obama’s drivel in Time Magazine last week …

    … where the Prez adimitted “underestimating” the intractability of the “Israeli-Palestine conflict” and expressed deep frustration — ludicrous — about Washington’s inability to infliuence the Likud leadership.

    The way to influence the Israeli government, as Bush pere and Baker demonstrated when they were dealing with Netanyahu, is to threaten to turn off the money. And to mean it.

    Everyone in the world knows this. Which leaves one to gauge Obama, by his recent words, as intractably naive or, more likely, disingenuous and deceitful — betrayers of the words of the Cairo speech.

    Hence the Underpants Bomber. And today’s “Osama” tape. And, I fear, the escalation of the war on terror from both sides, which after all is the plan.

    I imagine, in particular, that we may see a walk-in suicide bomb go off in an American city this year, which both the CIA and the folks behind the Osama tapes will claim as a blow from Al Qaeda (which itself barely exists).

    This new tape is very clear. Our dissident Obama experts — those who used to handle and decode these things for Washington before Bush-Cheney axed them — will have clear material to work with and found their opinions.

    I’m curious.

    January 24th, 2010 at 1:59 pm

  10. ed says:

    And the beat goes on.

    The Attorney General assures sullen House GOPhers that Bin Laden will never be tried in American courts.,8599,1972706,00.html

    All my finance acquaintances are worried about the burgeoning national debt. Country cannot long endure …

    I worry about the burgeoning big lie. The wages of spin are death. Truth shall set you free, etc. How long, Adonai, how long with this horseshit?

    March 17th, 2010 at 12:42 am

  11. ed says:

    A new Bin Laden audio tape appears, focused on the devastating floods in Pakistan.

    From first reports the TONE sounds more in tune with with true Bin Laden, although if indeed he’s dead it’s not surprising after so many bad reviews of prior efforts the publishers have come up with something more verisimilar.

    If he were alive in a time when cell phones shoot video, would we not get video?

    Will be interesting to see what Bruce Lawrence et al think.

    October 1st, 2010 at 10:33 am

  12. ed says:

    Another tape, two days later. Seems to be the same voice. Same theme: humanitarian aid to Pakistan in the wake of the floods.

    October 2nd, 2010 at 10:16 am

  13. ed says:

    FBI concocts its latest Image of Bin Laden using a photo of a leading Spanish communist politician.

    The Spanish guy is upset about the whole thing.

    Can’t make this stuff up.

    Or … well. I guess they can.

    January 12th, 2011 at 10:56 am

  14. ed says:

    Tangential idiocy spitting out sparks:

    The new head of the GOP national committee, Reince Preibus of Wisconcsin — while trying to dis Russ Feingold in talk about the best way to deal with Bin Laden — repeatedly speaks of assassinating “Obama.” The President.

    Three times in a short exchange.

    Audio tape here:

    It Cannot Go On Like This.

    January 14th, 2011 at 10:04 pm

  15. ed says:

    the wikileaks cache of documents re the guantanamo prisoners — released today — give a lot of details, however accurate, re the motions of the handful of so-called al-qaeda operatives in the months following the 9/11 attacks.

    nothing in the wash post summary contradicts the notion that bin laden died in late december 2001.

    indeed, he is said to have given operational control of the ‘organization,’ such as it was, to a shura counsel in afghanistan shortly before the date of death announced in the egyptian newspaper linked above.

    April 25th, 2011 at 4:25 pm

  16. ed says:


    Within days of the Guantanamo wikileak dump — in which bin laden is missing in action — the us claims it has killed him in pakistan.

    But he:

    == was identified, we are told, by the attacking US soldiers thru “facial recognition.”

    == was shot in the head by same

    == and then was promptly “buried at sea”

    On its face this report is suspect. Perhaps intelligence will be released to better substantiate the claim.

    May 2nd, 2011 at 9:45 am

  17. ed says:

    Perhaps substantial evidence will be publicized to substantiate the claim. At the moment it looks like a house-cleaning operation to conclude a story that, like Twin Peaks in the third season, was just getting preposterous while going nowhere.

    May 2nd, 2011 at 9:49 am

  18. ed says:

    It should also be remembered that while bin laden publicly took responsibility for a number of attacks on us property prior to 9/11, he is on video shortly after 9/11 saying he was not involved in this one.

    May 2nd, 2011 at 9:51 am

  19. ed says:

    here is video of benazir bhutto, shortly before her assassination, speaking of bin laden as dead (indeed, murdered by omar sheikh).

    May 2nd, 2011 at 5:05 pm

  20. ed says:

    DoD whistleblower (?) Steve Pieczenik

    December 15th, 2011 at 10:40 am

  21. ed says:

    Interesting update on falsehoods told about the Osama raid at Abbottabad, now demonstrated as such:

    May 3rd, 2012 at 6:23 pm

  22. ed says:

    A fortiori:

    Another 50 years before the bin laden photos are released.

    May 23rd, 2013 at 12:57 am

  23. ed says:

    Pentagon — JSOC commander McRaven — acknowledges purging files on Bin Laden raid after moving them to CIA

    July 10th, 2013 at 5:43 am

  24. ed says:

    Seymour Hersch says of the story of Bin Laden’s death:

    “Nothing’s been done about that story, it’s one big lie, not one word of it is true.”

    September 27th, 2013 at 7:26 pm

  25. ed says:

    December 20th, 2013 at 11:15 am

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