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	<title>Comments on: WS Journal says Bear will &#8220;oust&#8221; Warren Spector, President, COO and St John&#8217;s College grad</title>
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		<title>By: ed</title>
		<link>http://newcombat.net/Conversation/2007/08/04/bear-to-oust-spector/comment-page-1/#comment-1335</link>
		<dc:creator>ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 04:36:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>August 20 and things are hairier by the day.

Here is &lt;a target=&quot;_blank&quot; href=&quot;http://newcombat.net/Conversation/2007/08/20/cramer-laughs-last/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;another  comment by Jersey Jim Cramer&lt;/a&gt; on the mess and Warren knee-deep amidships, in passing while painting Doom &amp; Gloom.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>August 20 and things are hairier by the day.</p>
<p>Here is <a target="_blank" href="http://newcombat.net/Conversation/2007/08/20/cramer-laughs-last/" rel="nofollow">another  comment by Jersey Jim Cramer</a> on the mess and Warren knee-deep amidships, in passing while painting Doom &#038; Gloom.</p>
<p>(See the quoted passage at post end.)</p>
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		<title>By: ed</title>
		<link>http://newcombat.net/Conversation/2007/08/04/bear-to-oust-spector/comment-page-1/#comment-1282</link>
		<dc:creator>ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 02:16:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a rel=&quot;nofollow&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; href=&quot;http://www.ft.com/cms/s/90cbfb04-476a-11dc-9096-0000779fd2ac.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here &lt;/a&gt; is a very good piece from the Financial Times in London, re both Warren and the firm&#039;s health going foward.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;(If the link to FT above doesn&#039;t work, try &lt;a target=&quot;_blank&quot; href=&quot;http://newcombat.net/Conversation/financial_times_bear_stearns/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt;.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.ft.com/cms/s/90cbfb04-476a-11dc-9096-0000779fd2ac.html" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow">Here </a> is a very good piece from the Financial Times in London, re both Warren and the firm&#8217;s health going foward.</p>
<p>(If the link to FT above doesn&#8217;t work, try <a target="_blank" href="http://newcombat.net/Conversation/financial_times_bear_stearns/" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow">this</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: ed</title>
		<link>http://newcombat.net/Conversation/2007/08/04/bear-to-oust-spector/comment-page-1/#comment-1281</link>
		<dc:creator>ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 02:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the other hand, there are many voices out there noting that two-thirds of Bear&#039;s business and profit was at the trading desk, and Warren  is credited not only with running that desk for many years, but building it.  While the survivor and apparent heir apparent, Alan Schwartz, has never worked in trading.

Thus, the buyout thesis seems hampered by the fact that Bear, a trading behemoth, has fired its great trader.
 
&lt;a target=&quot;_blank&quot; href=&quot;http://www.financialnews-us.com/?page=uscomment&amp;contentid=2348526363&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;QUOTE&lt;/a&gt;:  As a former partner of Goldman Sachs said: â€œ[Firing Spector] seems a strange decision as most predators would only consider an offer for Bear Stearns if Spector was a guaranteed part of the transaction.â€  UNQUOTE</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the other hand, there are many voices out there noting that two-thirds of Bear&#8217;s business and profit was at the trading desk, and Warren  is credited not only with running that desk for many years, but building it.  While the survivor and apparent heir apparent, Alan Schwartz, has never worked in trading.</p>
<p>Thus, the buyout thesis seems hampered by the fact that Bear, a trading behemoth, has fired its great trader.</p>
<p><a target="_blank" href="http://www.financialnews-us.com/?page=uscomment&#038;contentid=2348526363" rel="nofollow">QUOTE</a>:  As a former partner of Goldman Sachs said: â€œ[Firing Spector] seems a strange decision as most predators would only consider an offer for Bear Stearns if Spector was a guaranteed part of the transaction.â€  UNQUOTE</p>
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		<title>By: ed</title>
		<link>http://newcombat.net/Conversation/2007/08/04/bear-to-oust-spector/comment-page-1/#comment-1278</link>
		<dc:creator>ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2007 16:30:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sunday, a week after Warren was dispatched, the &lt;a rel=&quot;nofollow&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; href=&quot;http://online.barrons.com/public/article/SB118679455504694820.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Barron&#039;s cover story&lt;/a&gt; is a rather rosy outlook piece on Bear Stearns.

The piece speculates that should Bear be bought (by a money center bank in need of a big brokerage), Warren might return to run the company.Â   No source or rationale provided.

(If the link above doesn&#039;t work, &lt;a rel=&quot;nofollow&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; href=&quot;http://newcombat.net/Conversation/barrons-re-bear/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;try this&lt;/a&gt;.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sunday, a week after Warren was dispatched, the <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://online.barrons.com/public/article/SB118679455504694820.html" rel="nofollow">Barron&#8217;s cover story</a> is a rather rosy outlook piece on Bear Stearns.</p>
<p>The piece speculates that should Bear be bought (by a money center bank in need of a big brokerage), Warren might return to run the company.Â   No source or rationale provided.</p>
<p>(If the link above doesn&#8217;t work, <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://newcombat.net/Conversation/barrons-re-bear/" rel="nofollow">try this</a>.)</p>
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		<title>By: ed</title>
		<link>http://newcombat.net/Conversation/2007/08/04/bear-to-oust-spector/comment-page-1/#comment-1266</link>
		<dc:creator>ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 17:19:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wednesday. Wow. Grub Street ace Kevin Depew at Minyanville has been digging around this story and has come up with what may be the real goods.  See &lt;a target=&quot;_blank&quot; href=&quot;http://www.minyanville.com/articles/FNM-FRE-Fed-China-GS-MS-BSC/index/a/13621&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;item 5 in the list of Five Things&lt;/a&gt;.  Fore!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wednesday. Wow. Grub Street ace Kevin Depew at Minyanville has been digging around this story and has come up with what may be the real goods.  See <a target="_blank" href="http://www.minyanville.com/articles/FNM-FRE-Fed-China-GS-MS-BSC/index/a/13621" rel="nofollow">item 5 in the list of Five Things</a>.  Fore!</p>
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		<title>By: ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 20:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some comic relief:  Must see &lt;a target=&quot;_blank&quot; href=&quot;http://www.minyanville.com/articles/DCX-HD-MSFT-BSC/index/a/13576&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Kevin Depew&#039;s take at Minyanville&lt;/a&gt; -- it&#039;s item number 2 in the list of Five Things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some comic relief:  Must see <a target="_blank" href="http://www.minyanville.com/articles/DCX-HD-MSFT-BSC/index/a/13576" rel="nofollow">Kevin Depew&#8217;s take at Minyanville</a> &#8212; it&#8217;s item number 2 in the list of Five Things.</p>
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		<title>By: ed</title>
		<link>http://newcombat.net/Conversation/2007/08/04/bear-to-oust-spector/comment-page-1/#comment-1250</link>
		<dc:creator>ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 20:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have no idea what Warren may do -- I haven&#039;t talked to him in 20 years.

But yes, I imagine he&#039;s already getting calls to come rescue trading desks worldwide.

Maybe however he will do a Bill Clinton turn -- and become an ambassador and agent of good works.

But what do I know?!?

Maybe he&#039;ll produce my film!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no idea what Warren may do &#8212; I haven&#8217;t talked to him in 20 years.</p>
<p>But yes, I imagine he&#8217;s already getting calls to come rescue trading desks worldwide.</p>
<p>Maybe however he will do a Bill Clinton turn &#8212; and become an ambassador and agent of good works.</p>
<p>But what do I know?!?</p>
<p>Maybe he&#8217;ll produce my film!</p>
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		<title>By: JJM</title>
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		<dc:creator>JJM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 19:42:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To follow up on the Cramer quote - I doubt a person of Mr. Spector&#039;s experience and connections will stay unemployed for long - so what&#039;s likely to happen to him?

If anyone knows where the bodies are buried he does. As this unwind progresses I&#039;d think an architect of its creation would be among those in the highest demand - yes/no?

Hedge or even vulture fund maybe?

I have no direct skin in the game, just curious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To follow up on the Cramer quote &#8211; I doubt a person of Mr. Spector&#8217;s experience and connections will stay unemployed for long &#8211; so what&#8217;s likely to happen to him?</p>
<p>If anyone knows where the bodies are buried he does. As this unwind progresses I&#8217;d think an architect of its creation would be among those in the highest demand &#8211; yes/no?</p>
<p>Hedge or even vulture fund maybe?</p>
<p>I have no direct skin in the game, just curious.</p>
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		<title>By: ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 18:05:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And here is &lt;a rel=&quot;nofollow&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; href=&quot;http://newcombat.net/Conversation/2007/08/04/jim-cramer-goes-bananas/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Jumpin&#039; Jim Cramer&#039;s&lt;/a&gt; comment from &lt;a rel=&quot;nofollow&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; href=&quot;http://www.thestreet.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;TheStreet.com&lt;/a&gt;:

QUOTE
Bear Bigwig&#039;s Departure Is Bad News

By Jim Cramer
RealMoney.com Columnist
8/6/2007 9:13 AM EDT

Warren Spector, formerly of Bear Stearns (BSC), was too bullish. Period, end of story.

When the hedge fund problems hit Bear, he was telling everyone not to worry and that the &quot;Dumb&quot; fund (to reuse the nomenclature from my series on Bear&#039;s two failed hedge funds) would be worth a lot of money once the new money took off the pressure of margin calls.

That outlook, more than anything else, explained his departure. He committed more than a billion in hard-earned Bear capital to the &quot;Dumb&quot; fund, and the money is lost -- something I know I didn&#039;t see happening.

This change at the top of Bear is not good news. It shows that Bear has lost control of the situation to some degree and has put an investment banker up top of the food chain, a curious choice at best.

Also, it causes tons of head-scratching, not just because the CFO said this is the worst market in 20 years, hardly the &quot;business as usual&quot; statement we expected.

It was Spector&#039;s ouster, which I had gotten wind of on Thursday, that shook me. This is a man at the heart of the mortgage trading business, a hard-core realist who knows his way around &lt;a rel=&quot;nofollow&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; href=&quot;http://www.newcombat.net/article_whats_a_cdo.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;collateralized debt obligations (CDOs)&lt;/a&gt; and CDO squared and mortgage insurance and the interaction of the mortgage chain from mortgage customer to the hedge funds and European banks and insurance companies that bought this stuff.

If he was too bullish, what the heck was everyone else?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And here is <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://newcombat.net/Conversation/2007/08/04/jim-cramer-goes-bananas/" rel="nofollow">Jumpin&#8217; Jim Cramer&#8217;s</a> comment from <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.thestreet.com/" rel="nofollow">TheStreet.com</a>:</p>
<p>QUOTE<br />
Bear Bigwig&#8217;s Departure Is Bad News</p>
<p>By Jim Cramer<br />
RealMoney.com Columnist<br />
8/6/2007 9:13 AM EDT</p>
<p>Warren Spector, formerly of Bear Stearns (BSC), was too bullish. Period, end of story.</p>
<p>When the hedge fund problems hit Bear, he was telling everyone not to worry and that the &#8220;Dumb&#8221; fund (to reuse the nomenclature from my series on Bear&#8217;s two failed hedge funds) would be worth a lot of money once the new money took off the pressure of margin calls.</p>
<p>That outlook, more than anything else, explained his departure. He committed more than a billion in hard-earned Bear capital to the &#8220;Dumb&#8221; fund, and the money is lost &#8212; something I know I didn&#8217;t see happening.</p>
<p>This change at the top of Bear is not good news. It shows that Bear has lost control of the situation to some degree and has put an investment banker up top of the food chain, a curious choice at best.</p>
<p>Also, it causes tons of head-scratching, not just because the CFO said this is the worst market in 20 years, hardly the &#8220;business as usual&#8221; statement we expected.</p>
<p>It was Spector&#8217;s ouster, which I had gotten wind of on Thursday, that shook me. This is a man at the heart of the mortgage trading business, a hard-core realist who knows his way around <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.newcombat.net/article_whats_a_cdo.html" rel="nofollow">collateralized debt obligations (CDOs)</a> and CDO squared and mortgage insurance and the interaction of the mortgage chain from mortgage customer to the hedge funds and European banks and insurance companies that bought this stuff.</p>
<p>If he was too bullish, what the heck was everyone else?<br />
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		<title>By: ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 16:37:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Ken Houghton,

Thanks for commenting.

My only reply would be that Merrill and Goldman are themselves wooly mammoths.  But yes -- your point being I take it that they haven&#039;t been consumed as eg Smith Barney was by Citi.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Ken Houghton,</p>
<p>Thanks for commenting.</p>
<p>My only reply would be that Merrill and Goldman are themselves wooly mammoths.  But yes &#8212; your point being I take it that they haven&#8217;t been consumed as eg Smith Barney was by Citi.</p>
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